{"id":2653,"date":"2013-02-15T20:56:44","date_gmt":"2013-02-15T20:56:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/heinleinsociety.org\/?p=2653"},"modified":"2021-03-18T12:49:30","modified_gmt":"2021-03-18T12:49:30","slug":"heinlein-readers-discussion-group-saturday-1-26-2002-500-p-m-est-the-evolution-of-presentation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/heinleinsociety.org\/heinlein-readers-discussion-group-saturday-1-26-2002-500-p-m-est-the-evolution-of-presentation\/","title":{"rendered":"Heinlein Reader&#8217;s Discussion Group  Saturday 1-26-2002 5:00 P.M. EST  The Evolution Of Presentation"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 style=\"text-align: center\">Heinlein Reader&#8217;s Discussion Group<\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center\">Saturday 1-26-2002 5:00 P.M. EST<\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center\">The Evolution Of Presentation<\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><a title=\"Heinlein Readers Group \u2013 Index to Discussion Logs\" href=\"https:\/\/heinleinsociety.org\/heinlein-readers-group\/\">Click Here to Return to Index<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here Begins The Discussion Log<\/p>\n<p>You have just entered room &#8220;Heinlein Readers Group chat.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Hello.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: You are early, too.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Okay. Was the topic posted? I missed it in that case.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Hi, Denis.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Yes. But I have no idea what it means.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Wold you mind using boldface? I have trouble reading that light font.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Is this better?<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Hi Ginny, Hi DennE.. the topic is fluid I think.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: A lot, thanks.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor:<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt has entered the room.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: What fluid? Alcohol?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Hi everyone.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Hello, Jane.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Is that you twice Denis?<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: No it has to do with changes in reading books, evolution of eBooks, tapes and so on.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: *sigh*<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: oops, sorry Bill; thought it might have been a log alter ego as Dave Wright does.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: We have a Denis P. and a B. Dennis. Confusing.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Isn&#8217;t it \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I just couldn&#8217;t get AOL to give me a screen name with &#8220;Bill&#8221; and &#8220;Dennis&#8221; in it.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Jane have you seen those smileys that move?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Although I could have used my old &#8220;Libertarian Bill&#8221; screen name.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I know; I keep getting stopped by the fact that I signed onto things years ago and now have a new email. It keeps saying my name is taken; it is &#8211; by me.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: &#8230; but I&#8217;m not confortable with that.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Not yet Ginny; any luck with them?<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Not confusing is it Bill? You have one more than I do. And probably nicer too.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: probably<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Downloaded them, but can&#8217;t get them into a useful condition yet.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Shame.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Sound like fun<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: animated smilies? LOL<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: brb; have to get food out of the oven.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: It really is. Thought I&#8217;d surprise people with them<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: AOL says on their welcome page you can send somebody a thumping heart for Valentines. Give me a break!<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: You mean you won&#8217;t send me one?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Which is one reason I am not using AOL. Besides the fact that my ISP lets me use high speed cable modem.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Of course! Both of them.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Hold out for roses Ginny; less gruesome.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: She prefers orchids. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: reminds me of &#8220;The Telltale Heart&#8221; &#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Poe? Right.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: (is that the correct title? I last read it in grade school)<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Actually green orchids<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I got an orchid from David once valentine&#8217;s; a live one in a pot about 2 foot tall that his friend had grown form seed or whatever they grow from<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Did you ever grow those? The green ones, Ginny.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Anyone ever notice how the theme from &#8220;Jaws&#8221; is like a beating heart?<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Yes, I have a plant now. Got it for Christmas. Cymbidiumx<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Flowered several times but we had to leave it behind Phallinopsis (sp?)<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Scratch that x should be an s.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: People who hate plants send them to me. I kill them all.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Ginny is also our plant expert.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Phalaenopsis.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I have none now; as Ginny knows my cats and lauren kept eating &#8217;em and turned out they were poisonous so I got rid of them<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN has entered the room.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Hello!<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Hello, everybody!<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: That sounds right Ginny, thanks.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Hi Kultsi<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Hi Kultsi!<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Hi Kultsi. Greetings.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I am going to have to set up a profile so eveyrone will know who I am &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor:<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Good news; Robert Crais will be a guest<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Possibly the next chat<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Oh, good. The name is familiar, but I can&#8217;t recall what he has written<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Any of you read him? I enjoyed his books a lot<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Has Spider been scheduled yet?<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Oh Jane. You and your hunks!<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: P.I stuff with a detective called Elvis Cole<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: He is cute:-)<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor:P. White write some more Sherlock Holmes stories?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Where did you finsih on Thursday after I left?<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: We were on Mars.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: In one, he had a poisonous snake crawling down a rope. That can&#8217;t do that apparently.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Lots of people have Ginny&#8230;don&#8217;t know about AP<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: I think under the name of H. H. Holmes.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Oh..but wasnt that a murderer&#8217;s name?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: He had several pseudonyms going.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Rocket to the Morgue may have been under that name originally<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Nicholas Meyer wrote a couple &#8230; 7 percent solution and another one, I believe<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: It is a huge genre<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I like the ones about Irene Adler<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: And of course, the laurie King ones<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Beekeeper&#8217;s Apprentice and the sequels<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Phil Farmer wrote on that had Holmes and Watson meeting young Tarzan.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Conan Doyle would have been intrigued<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: That must have been a stretch for Tarzan!<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Of course, PJFarmer started whole sub-genre in which Tarzam, Holmes and other pulp heres are all related<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: And there are the Jane Austen myseteries; with her solving crimes.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Did anyone start a log?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I can save it all from where I came in<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Dave Wright won&#8217;t be here<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: So he asked if we could send it to him<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: I have it in HTML format from the start.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I don&#8217;t think anything all THAT important has been said.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Did it work OK on Thursday Denis?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: I think Bill is relaxing he had an eye exam this morning, and can&#8217;t see probably.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: No, and I can&#8217;t stay for the whole time so let&#8217;s start then<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: I sent it to him. But no reply yet. It worked the last time I sent it that way.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: If he had those drops, no probably can&#8217;t<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: OK, we were looking at Heinlein books in the future and the past; different ways of presenting them and which work best<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: He expected to have those drops.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Speaking of chatroom logs, I listened in on a World Church of the Creator chat room on Thursday. This is that racist group that is growing in popularity.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I grudgingly was persuaded that e-books are handy on space flights to save weight<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: How did all that go?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Ever attend a Holy Rollers meeting?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: We had a Watchtower seller round today&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Yes! My grandfather was a Holy Roller minister.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I was a little kid and it scared the Hell out of me.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Really?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: He just did it to raise money. He also was a moonshiner<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Great combination.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: He got out of both rackets and went to work elsewhere.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Water into wine&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Didn&#8217;t the moonshine pay well?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: He thought it was dishonest. The preaching, that is.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Obviously no conflict of interests<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Did you want to see if that Church was another version of Scientology, Bill?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Well, it paid well, but he faced competition from folks who do not tolerate competition, if you catch my drift.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: World Church of the Creator?<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: No, not scientologists. It is a white supremacist organization<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Ooo&gt;:o<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: It is based in East Peoria, very close to where I live in Peoria.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Robert knew L. Ron Hubbard.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: My paper is stepping up coverage of them<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Why? isn&#8217;t that giving them publicity?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: He was always going to borrow an airplane and come to see us, but he never made it.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: They get publicity anyway.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: They impounded it, Ginny.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Believe me, it is a myth that media ignoring these people make them go away.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: It is wishful thinking.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Isn&#8217;t it hard to write about them objectively?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Well, I never met him. He was a really colorful character.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: &#8220;Objective,&#8221; in newspapering doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;don&#8217;t have an opinion.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: We have a current story; local woman charged with assault for breaking up a same sex wedding and haranguing the congregation.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: It means sticking to known facts and giving all a change to comment.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: a chance to comment, I mean<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Paper is doing a fair job of printing views from both side but obvious that they are against her.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: &#8230; and there are papers in which it would be obvious they are FOR her.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: It depends on publication and reporter.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: &#8230; a good editor would weed that out.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Canadians are pretty tolerant about people making up their own minds<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Someone spoiling a wedding wouldn&#8217;t get much sympathy<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: nope.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Anyway&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: remember that minister who picketed the funeral of that gay hate crime victim?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Even Jerry Falwall had to distance himself<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: No, sounds awful thing to do tho<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Even jerry huh?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor:<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: real books<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: I still buy only books. Falwell and Swaggart and Panshin in a boat.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: This is a good chance to read it without it costing me anything<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Well, Bill unearthed a letter from Robert to L. S. deCamp and it tells the real facts about Panshin and HID<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: really? LOL<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: What does it say?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Is that what Jim G meant when he told Panshin he was going to expose him?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: I gave permission to put it online. Gidfford is going to do that.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Ah, must have been.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: We will have to wait until Bill publishes that Biog.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: This is going to be fun.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Ginny, do you think Mr Heinlein would have used the new tech and let his books be published for palm Pilots and such?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: It sure will be for our side.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: You were both into computers from the start after all.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I tried &#8230; I mean really tried &#8230; to read Panshin&#8217;s site. But it is all so ephemeral. He writes like a college English teacher trying to impress his doctoral committee. It sounds authorative, but it never gets to a point that can<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Is that something you want?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: be proved or disproved<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: authoratative<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I don&#8217;t but I think as Sf writer maybe it would have been logical. Still printed as a book but also downloadable<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: d&#8217;oh<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: There are now two books with one online publisher, and one with Stealth. That&#8217;s a print volume and a very tpretty one<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Is it selling better from print or online?<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: I don&#8217;t want eBooks, soft books or a computer screen on the ceiling of my bedroom. And NO Panshin for me.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Haven&#8217;t had royalty reports yet.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I don&#8217;t want to be a Luddite..but I love books and the older the better<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Though a new book is very nice too; being the first to read it is a special feeling<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Theoretically, publishiing online for a fee is a way to bypass book publishers, who act as middle men. More of sales go to the writer.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Really?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: But wondering who else read one that&#8217;s over a hundred years old is fascinating<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: I do a lot of reading on computer, but I don&#8217;t really like it.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Books will continue to be around, Jane.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: But I suspect that publishes play a more important role in promoting a book than most people realize<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: It should be cheaper I suppose as less overheads<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: And it does save paper<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I also love the smell and feel of books.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Jane, paper is a renewable resource<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Which, as I keep telling Eleanor, doesn&#8217;t grow on trees<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: boo<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Remember, Neil&#8217;s Pulpless books failed.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Only if people repalnt<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: replant<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I hate bad puns that I didn&#8217;t use first<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Was he ahead of his time?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Need more people with the ability to download to portable readers<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: If I didn&#8217;t have to go to bookstores, I would never leave the house<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: You just can&#8217;t read on a static computer all the time.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: That&#8217;s why i couldn&#8217;t watch a DVD on a computer<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: &#8230; and besides, I love sipping overpriced coffee and eating muffins at the B&amp;N.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Want a comfy sofa, company, not squahed up against the screen<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: My spelling is wild tonight<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I meant squashed<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: The scroll on this machine jams every so often.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I want to get locked in a book store&#8230;one with a coffee shop in it and those nice chairs<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Kultsi, do you like eBooks?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Heinlein books anyway.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Never tried, but as I said I read a _lot_ on PC.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: AD.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: And don&#8217;t like it very much.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor:<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Someone said it&#8217;s harder to process the words on a screen?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: It depends on the contrast\/layout\/other distractions.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: It just wouldn&#8217;t feel as if I owned it if it was a file on my computer instead of a volume on my shelves<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: I think there is something to that. I utterly dislike the man pages on *nix systems.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Where is the aesthetic pleasure?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Suppose your computer crashed?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Right. every book I buy and read is placed on a shelf for visitors to see. It shows how well-read I am.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Correct Jane.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I lost HUNDREDS of books in a flood.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: The library is the first room as you come in. people stop and say, &#8220;oh, what a lot of books. Have you read them all?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: most of my PJFarmer, ERBurroughs.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I am running out of polite replies<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: That is a tragedy<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I dread that or a fire<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: We gave away aabout 10,000 books when we left Bonny Doon.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Let me know if you have a wants list and I&#8217;ll keep an eye out for you<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I could never give away books. I am always rereading them<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Fiction or non fiction Ginny?<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: I&#8217;ve put 10 tons of my scientific stuff on Disk but I like my Heinlein to be real and in my hands.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Both Jane.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Non fiction is good online because it is searchable which would be handy<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: That must have hurt&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: No wants list. I just haunt Peoria&#8217;s six or seven used book stores.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Well, if you ever get down to one you can&#8217;t find let me know<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: It gets worse &#8230; I lost all my *comic books* &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: An encyclopedia of Magic, and my treasured book f Scandinavian design.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Try the charity shops; I get lots from there<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Like in NOTB&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Just no room for hem Ginny?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: them<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: I can&#8217;t read anymore so it shouldn&#8217;t matter.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: charity shops usually have only Old readers Digest condensed fiction.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: You can still hold them<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: That&#8217;s right.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Heh&#8230;you have a poor class of thrift shops then<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Books also make great soundproofing when up an a bookshelf.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I got a first edition Elsie Oxenham once&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: What a find.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Who is she?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: &#8230; of Peorians tend to snap up all the good books. (This must be true because I can rarely find Heinlein stuff &#8230; \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: (very collectable childrens author)<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Wrote in 1920&#8217;s 30&#8217;s<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: &#8220;or Peorians tend &#8230; &#8221;<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: silly typos<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Lots of camp fire books, school stories. Most famous were the Abbey Girls stories<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: What was it Peanuts said &#8220;silly jumpropes?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I once found a dollar bill in a used book &#8230; it was being used as a bookmark, apparently.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Probably Mrs. H.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Showed proper respect for the book<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: My bugbear is people writing in them<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: It showed that it pays to read.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Once, they wrote (in ink) &#8216;This is the murderer!!&#8221; next to a name of a character.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: grrrr<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: \ud83d\ude00<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: You must have encountered some uninteresting marginal notes!<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: &#8230; a case for justifiable homicide, IMHO<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: And the people who take it upon themselves to correct grammar ( invairiably wrong themselves) should be sent somewhere&#8230;special.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Critics&#8217; lounge?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: That&#8217;ll do nicely:-)<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Guess I&#8217;m exempt&#8211;I majored in chemistry.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: You&#8217;re safe then<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Well, I can&#8217;t think of more to say on the topic<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Used books are great when you want a complete collection and a book is out of print.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: So I may go and eat<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Yes; and now I can see all the ones online that I can&#8217;t afford to buy<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: But one day&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I am still looking for a copy of &#8220;Rocketship Galileo (sp?)<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: I have got some that I never thought I would ever own<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: copy<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: First ed?<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: OT, Jane do you want me to send you an e-copy of the log too?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: no, no. paperback would be fine.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I found &#8220;Space Cadet&#8221; several months ago &#8230; which I had never read before.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: No, I&#8217;ll read it on Dave&#8217;s page, no need to bother. Thanks anyway.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Have you tried eBaY?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: It was great! New Heinlein mamerial!<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Oh well I&#8217;ll watch out for it<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Or the Heinlein bookswap page; is that still going?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Don ran that<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: What is mammerial. Freudian?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: You just want a reading copy?<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: But he hasn&#8217;t been around for months<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I think I have. I may give it a try. I still haven&#8217;t given up on finding it used, though.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: God, I am soooo cheap.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Is it on Amazon? Is it in print?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: Well, I want one what will look OK on my shelf. I&#8217;ll probably breat down and order a copy somewhere.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: If so, they list used copies too<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: break<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: And the prices<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: david is saying it&#8217;s time to eat so I will vanish; see you all soon.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I find the idea of fighting Nazis on the Moon to be priceless.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Hope you can make it for the Crais chat<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt: Night.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I am going to leave too.<\/p>\n<p>ddavitt has left the room.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Bye Jane<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: I&#8217;ll stop back in later see if anyone else has come in.<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor: talk to you all at a later date.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Bye now.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: What&#8217;s up, Kultsi?<\/p>\n<p>DennnEditor has left the room.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Good that people leave when they say they will. I hate people who stand in the doorway talking.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: I agree.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Nothing special, really &#8212; trying to survive the winter \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Snowy always tries to escape.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Is it a bad winter, Kultsi?<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: He is a snow Cat.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Going up and down like a yo-yo, not very nice.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: One day rain, next day snow with wind.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: A lot of snow?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Buffalo really got it this year!<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Very little here; more ice.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Several feet of snow!<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Our weather is mostly &#8212; moderate.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: That might be good for skating, but I was a hothouse flower.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Liked indoor ice.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Funny, I would have thought it would be a continental climate. More like Buffalo.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Helsinki is pretty far north.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: More to the East it is.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: I mean like Moscow.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: I see, the water nearby tempers the weather.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Like Vancouver?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Moscow must be horrid in winter!<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: The San Juan Islands.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Is there a time when it isn&#8217;t?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: No, you&#8217;re right about that. Ever go there?<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Just passing through once.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: The San Juans are what they call a &#8220;banana belt&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Where are they, Ginny?<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: We nearly froze on May Day.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Straits of Juan de Fuca.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: :'(<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: The Canadian and American islands between the mainland and Vancouver.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Thanks. I&#8217;m going brain dead or Alzie.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Alzheimers is no laughing mattteer.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: So Spider switched oceans.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Oh, that&#8217;s no biggie; once diagnosed you can go home and forget all about it&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Yes, he did. Nova Scotia is far worse in climate!<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Yes\/ I just need more RAM Kultsi. Maybe more Disk space.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: What about the manic phases, Kultsi?<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Well, actually, they are not nice at all, the diseases, that is.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: A friend of mine just found out his mother had it. She was manic for days.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: It&#8217;s a terrible strain on all close by, just to watch someone fading away.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Yes. I see it all the time here.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Fon&#8217;t let anyone ever tell you that a &#8220;retirement community&#8221; is a good place to live.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Don&#8217;t<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: It&#8217;s very depressing to see.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: I can imagine.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: I wish I had thought of that before I came here.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: It&#8217;s only my friends outside who keep my spirits up.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: That and work.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Ginny, it&#8217;s everywhere. You have to focus on the beautiful like your little white lion.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: He&#8217;s part of my young friends outside!<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Indeed. He is.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Thank you Denis. I guess it&#8217;s time I quit for the day.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: I guess no one else will show. Maybe we should close and send the log to David.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Yeah, me too! Must wake up early.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Nice talking to you Kultsi.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: What time is it there Kultsi?<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Nice talking to you, too!<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Quarter past one, AM.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Ouch. Get some sleep!<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy: Bye all.<\/p>\n<p>SAcademy has left the room.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Bye Ginny.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: I&#8217;ll do. Bye.<\/p>\n<p>Paradis402: Bye Kultsi<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN: Bye, take care.<\/p>\n<p>KultsiKN has left the room.<br \/>\nFinal End Of Discussion Log<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><a title=\"Heinlein Readers Group \u2013 Index to Discussion Logs\" href=\"https:\/\/heinleinsociety.org\/heinlein-readers-group\/\">Click Here to Return to Index<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Heinlein Reader&#8217;s Discussion Group Saturday 1-26-2002 5:00 P.M. 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